Zmiana japończyka na szwajcara?

[piotrek148 60]

Witam.

Naszła mnie ochota na zmiane zegarka. Obecnie mam Orienta CEM69003KR

 

wpdała mi w oko Adriatica automat z mechanizmem CLARO 888 Automat 18 Jewels. Jedna taką Adriatice ma do sprzedania forumowicz w dziale Bazar.

Warto zrobic taka zamiane?

Gdzies czytałem co do zegarków szwajcarskich ze te tanie, z dolnej półki nie sa dobre .Prawda to?

Warto z Orienta na Adriatice sie przesiąść?

Mój Oriencik sprawuje sie co prawda wzorowo ale... chciało by sie mieć prawdziwego szwajcara

[kadarius 9]

Biorąc pod uwagę mechanizm to nie będzie "prawdziwy" szwajcar

[armal 0]

Według mnie nie warto. Dobry japoński na wątpliwy ?szwajcarski? (Claro jest w zasadzie produktem chińskim). Jeżeli marzysz o szwajcarze, musisz chyba nieco podnieść poprzeczkę.

 

Poniżej o Claro 888, jeżeli Cię to zainteresuje:

 

The new calibre CL-888

 

The following is quoted from 'Isthmus', the Seiko Forum Moderator at Watchuseek.com.

"Claro-Semag is Fossil's Switzerland based in-house mechanical movement 'manufacturer'. They produce a movement called the CL-888 which is used in Fossil's Zodiac Oceanaire divers, several other Fossils and is also sold to other brands. The watches are solid and most have reported nice solid performance from their movements.

"However a few eagle eyed tinkerers have also reported that the movement is the same movement as the Chinese Tianjin ST16. Now Tianjin Sea-Gull is about the most respected Chinese brand at the moment... this particular movement does a good job of integrating some of the better ideas of several movements out there.

"The thing is that the CL-888 only differs from the ST16 in its finishing. Since most likely that finishing is performed in Switzerland, by someone getting paid swiss wages, it is quite likely that that is what pushes the value of the Swiss part of the watch past the magic 50% mark. The end result is that Fossil is able to use a Chinese movement in a (very nice) watch and legally call it Swiss. I have a feeling that much of the case work is probably achieved in similar fashion, thus allowing them to write Swiss Made on the dial."

http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.ph...highlight=Claro

 

While the CL-888 is undoubtedly a 'Swiss Movement' under the law, some watch enthusiasts have been concerned by the possibility of a Chinese designed, Chinese built ebauche at the core of their Swiss watch. To counter this there have been some claims that the design and all the parts originate in Switzerland.

One claim is that Claro-Semag, in the 1960s, was building this movement and selling it in Hong Kong, and the Chinese have subsequently copied the design. This begs the question as to why Sea-Gull waited until 1997 to first produce their 'copy'. This story also seems less likely in light of the fact that the distinctive auto-winding mechanism employed in the ST16 and CL-888 was patented by Seiko, and the patent remained in force until the 1980s or 90s. Thus Claro-Semag could only have built this movement if they had a license agreement with Seiko to use the Japanese technology.

Regarding known Semag calibres of that period:

- The ES (hand-wind only) calibres differ in every possible detail from the CL-888.

- There was a 'Semag Autoking' watch made in the 1960s with a 25 jewel automatic movement however this uses a Felsa ebauche, not a Semag original design.

Another story is that the CL-888 is a resurrection of the Zenith 70 series, which was a Schild base calibre with a proprietory Zenith auto-winding mechanism. Not only does the Zenith 70 have a fundamentally different layout to the CL-888, but the Zenith winding mechanism is nothing like the system used in the CL-888.

A more in-depth review of the CL-888 can be found on the TimeZone Community forum archive: http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=msg...0&rid=65913

[Gość Jash]

Adriatica jest ok, ale Claro, hm. Ja bym nie zmieniał.

[RadG 2]

Seagull, czyli Claro ma dobre rekomendacje. Tak więc bez obaw, recenzje Claro też nieźle wypadają...Ino to Szwajcar jak nie Szwajcar. Ta konkretna Adriatica lepsza wizualnie od Orineta, a to też argument

[Gość Jash]

Adriatica z Bazaru wypada wizualnie bardzo słabo w porównaniu z tym Orientem.

[Gość ponuraczek]

Zawsze zamieniaj na ładniejsze ( wg. swojego gustu oczywiście ) kto Ci tam będzie w mechanizm zaglądał...