Lip Watches...

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Buszując w sieci natknąłem się na taki "towar"... Kwarcoki ale dizajn dość ciekawy! Szczególnie kolekcja Historique

Kilka przykładów...

 

 

Napoleon

 

 

 

General de Gaulle

 

 

 

 

Himalaya

 

 

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Type 10

 

 

 

 

 

Type 18

 

 

oraz nowocześniejszy wygląd:

 

 

 

 

Big Tv

 

 

 

Chronograf

 

 

 

Mythic

 

 

 

Square

 

O mechanizmach jest napisane Swiss Movement... oraz quarz movement ( nie za bardzo kumam o co im chodzi.. )

[michu 1]

Ale wynalazki

[cytochrom 47]

ten ostatni byl projektowany w 70tych przez znanego garfika i wygarl wiele nagrod - bardzo poszukiwane sa wersje automatyczne tego zegarka - osiagaja nawet 1500 usd

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chronograf ze zdjęcia - mechanizm swiss 251.272 eta quartz movement cena ponad 400 dolców

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A napoleona stworzył Emmanuel Lipmann w 1807...

znaczy dizajn

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Lip(ne) zegarki

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Naprawdę uważasz że to są Lip(ne) zegarki?

Czy gadasz co ci ślina przyniesie na język.

 

 

[Gość Classified]

No te ze zdjęć raczej "swiss made" nie mają, a i mechanizmy to kwarcówki...

Swoją drogą Lip francaise też ok, w końcu firma z tradycjami

ceny delikatnie mówiąc wysokie.

Znaju ja Lipa, miałem nawet jednego klasycznego garniturowca tej firmy z lat 60.

ale...

Chociaż te zegarki ze zdjęć nie są brzydkie, a nawet bardzo ładne w klasycznym tego słowa znaczeniu (mowa o tych tradycyjnych, nowsze designy mogą się wydac kontrowersyjne), 4me są drogie jak na to co oferują. I dlatego ja nie kupić lip(a).

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Cholera, dobrze się nie przygotowałem z tematu, ale nie miałem pojęcia że istnieje jeszcze na świecie temat zegarkowy, który nie został tu poruszony

a ten mechanizm powyżej - na kolana!!!

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No to jeszcze dwa przykłady - tym razem 24 h

 

 

 

[mmabi 3]

Na tej stronie: http://www.70s-watches.com/a_to_m/index.html znajdziecie, pośród wielu innych, opisy i zdjęcia bardzo wielu lip'ów z lat 70-tych. Ceny. za które są one oferowanie sugerują że nie są to lipne zegarki.

[eye_lip 18908]

Na tej stronie: http://www.70s-watches.com/a_to_m/index.html znajdziecie, pośród wielu innych, opisy i zdjęcia bardzo wielu lip'ów z lat 70-tych. Ceny. za które są one oferowanie sugerują że nie są to lipne zegarki.

Ceny nic nie sugerują - po prostu stronka dla osób którym nie chce się szukać i mogą wydać dużo więcej na zegarek mając wszystko na talerzu.

 

Większość z tych zegarków można upolować w dużo atrakcyjniejszych cenach.

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Eye_lip, ktoś Ci nicka ukradł. Przyznam, że niebanalne są te czasomierze w swoim wzornictwie...

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Tak jak napisałem wcześniej, Lip jest ok. Ale kwarcówki tej firmy za takie pieniądze, jakie za nie chcą to już dla mnie lekki twist.

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To ja sobie pozwolę... historia do II Wojny Światowej, przepraszam że w oryginale, mam nadzieję że pan Nick Downes się nie obrazi... pozdrowienia dla niego

 

 

 

 

 

Lip

 

by Nick Downes

 

January 16, 2002

 

Until now, there was no real documentation on Lip for the watch collector, but a recent book has filled the gap. Des heures a conter by Marie-Pia Auschitzky Coustans is a detailed history of Lip and its watches - in French. This article is a brief overview of Lip, based mainly on the book, for those who don?t have the book or don?t speak French.

 

 

If you are French, there?s a good chance that your father, grandfather or even great-grandfather wore a watch made by Lip, which isn?t surprising when you consider they are estimated to have produced some 10 million watches, the vast majority of which were sold in France.

 

From small beginnings in the 1860s, Lip went on to become the biggest watch manufacturer in France, and the only French watch company able to play a role outside France. They had an excellent reputation for quality, reliability and accuracy, and supplied movements to companies such as Bulova, Waltham and Elgin. They were innovative, producing Europe?s first electric watch, and the first French quartz watch, and had some of the most modern production facilities at the time in Europe, if the not the world. But none of this could save them, and in the 1970s, in the midst of spectacular union action and nationwide press coverage, Lip collapsed.

 

The history of Lip

In 1867, Emmanuel Lipmann set up a watch making business, the Comptoir Lipmann, in Besançon, the center of France?s watch making industry. Soon, fifteen employees were producing watches using ebauches bought from local and Swiss suppliers. In 1893 the company became the Societe Anonyme d?Horlogerie Lipmann Freres, and Emmanuel, his sons Ernest and Camille, and 25 employees produced cylinder escapement pocket watches under a range of registered trademarks such as Gallus, la Nantaise and Tandem. In 1895 they produced 2,500 watches.

 

Around 1900 they produced their first movement, the 20mm diameter caliber 20, which was used in early wristlets. Their first factory was built in 1907, in 1908 the name Lip was registered, and in 1910 they produced 10,000 watches.

 

Much of their early success is probably due to their marketing campaigns. They ran large-scale, nationwide publicity campaigns, something unheard of at the time for watches, and so started establishing the name Lip in the minds of the public.

 

They also registered the names Chronometre Lip and Chronometre de France, in a period when the accuracy of a watch was a major selling point. It?s widely assumed that they used these names on dials of non-chronometer watches to trick people into thinking they were chronometers. However, it?s not certain that the watches were not certified as chronometers. Lip regularly won medals, bulletins and awards from the Observatoire de Besançon (the French equivalent of the COSC), and at the start of the 20th century claimed that their top grade watches were regulated to ?a minute a month?. Movements which were chronometer-certified by Besançon, were stamped with the viper?s head, and this is probably the best indication. It?s also worth noting that some of their chronometer-certified watches do not have ?chronometre? on the dial.

 

Lip also attacked what is nowadays called the supply chain. At the time, watchmakers bought watches which they re-sold under their own name at a price they determined, and which they guaranteed themselves. Lip established a network of resellers who bought watches signed Lip and resold them at a price determined by Lip. The guarantee was provided by Lip at a national level. In the decades that followed, their management of the supply chain and post-sales support became very sophisticated and contributed in a large part to their success. However, in the end it was a factor in the collapse of the company, as they were unable to adapt to new distribution channels.

 

From early on they were aware of the need for real differentiators, and they fixed on quality, reliability and accuracy as key selling points, and these were to drive their development and marketing for over 50 years. Their movements are neither stylish nor decorated, but are solid as a rock, reliable and very accurate

 

During the 1914-18 war they produced products such as fuses and chronometers for the military. Ernest Lipmann rebuilt the business after the war, and by 1925 they were producing their own movements again.

 

In 1931 the company became Lip SA d?Horlogerie, and they expanded the factory and installed the latest machine tools. They managed to keep their heads above water during the recession, and even to introduce new movements and technical improvements. One of their failures was an attempt to get the hide-bound French watch industry to use millimeters instead of lignes. Lip had used millimeters in the naming of their own calibers since the 1900s (e.g. the R25 is a 25mm round movement), but they were unable to overcome the inherent conservatism of the industry, and were obliged to give all measurement in their technical literature in lignes. On the other hand, they did manage to get their watchmakers to wear white instead of the traditional black smock.

 

In the early 1930s, Lip employed 350 people and produced 40,000 watches a year, making them by far the biggest French watch manufacturer. The T18, one of their most successful movements, came out in 1933.

 

The factory and the working conditions were as good as was possible for the epoch, and in 1934 Lip was the first French company to introduce paid holidays. They tried to put in place a division of labor to replace the traditional system where one person produced an entire watch, but the workers did not accept it.

 

After some unsuccessful experiments, they finally produced an electric clock in cooperation with Ericsson in about 1936. Based on these experiences, they branched out into the production of synchronous electric motors and counters, and this eventually became a subsidiary company.

 

In 1936, Fred Lipmann, grandson of the founder, became technical director. Amongst other things, he signed deals with the USSR to export technology and parts to enable Russia to create its own watch industry.

 

The roots of the Russian watch industry

Russia bought the liquidated American watch company La Dueber in 1928, and moved the machine tools and production facilities to Russia. Unfortunately, the movements and the equipment did not allow them to produce good quality watches, and so they looked for other ways to get better watch technology. In 1936, Fred Lipmann signed a deal which allowed Russia to buy movements and watch parts, and then to buy Lip?s technology. Russia got modern, reliable watch technology, and Lip got the cash it needed to get over the financial problems caused by its rapid expansion.

 

Lip engineers and technicians supervised the installation of a factory at Penza near Moscow, and trained Russian engineers. They also sold a large quantity of T18 (tonneau) and R43 (pocket watch) movements to feed the factories while they were getting up to speed. All told, Russia produced some 10 million Lip-designed movements in the pre- and post-WWII periods. The Russian-produced T18 was called the Swesda, the R43 was called the Zim and the R26 was called the Pobjeda. The watches Saljut and Molnija used the R36 movement, which was also part of a deal between Lip and Russia.

 

Russia produced the Poljot between 1965 and 1973, and virtually all its parts are interchangeable with the Lip R25. Similarly, there is a striking resemblance between the Lip T15 and the Slava. It seems certain that Lip sold technology at around this time to Russia. In 1969 Lip were invited to Russia to investigate bringing the Russian technology up to date, and a deal was signed in 1972 to allow Russia to get technical help from Lip. This cooperation continued until Lip?s demise in 1975, and resulted in the design of a Franco-Russian quartz watch.

 

Note: the only sources I have for this information is the book by Marie-Pia Auschitzky-Coustans and references in articles in AFAHA bulletins. None of the sources I can find on Russian watches mention Lip. However, the pre-WWII period of Russian watch making is poorly documented, and the sources are vague. I have a Russian-made watch of the period, and as far as I can tell the movement is virtually identical to a T18. Of course, this doesn?t mean it isn?t just a good copy.

 

WWII

In 1938, with a war increasingly probable, Lip created Saprolip, a company specialized in supplying the armaments industry. They produced the highly reliable Type 10 cockpit clocks, as well as the types 14 and 150. They also produced measuring equipment, chronographs, chronometers, timers and fuses. In the same year, Fred Lipmann legally changed his surname to Lip.

 

As an interesting aside, Andre Frey, who went on to own Minerva, worked for Lip in Besançon for four years before joining Minerva in 1940.

 

In 1940 the Lip factories at Besançon and la Mouilliere were requisitioned by the occupying forces, and turned over to the production of watches, clocks, anemometers and other products for the German military. Fred Lip and some employees moved to the Saprolip factory at Issoudun in unoccupied France, and continued production for the Free French forces. In 1942 they moved to Valence, and despite many difficulties, including having to build many of the tools from scratch, they managed to design and produce the I24, a ? plate wristwatch movement. Watches from this era are marked Lip Valence. Fred Lip later played an active role in the French Resistance.

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Czekam na pozwolenie przetłumaczenia od Nicka, wtedy artykuł będzie w całości i po polsku...

[oprzemyslaw 3740]

Odkopię temat

Miał ktoś do czynienia ze współczesnym LIP Churchill T18:

 

Edytowane 20 Marca 2020 przez oprzemyslaw

[bober5264 1261]

Ja od dzisiaj mam z tym i jestem zakochany

Wysłane z mojego SM-G970F przy użyciu Tapatalka

[mmaniek 2339]

Naprawdę fajny zegarek, do tej pory jakoś krzywo patrzyłem na pandy, a ten rzucił się w oko od razu. jak oceniasz jakość wykonania, kupowałeś u nas czy w macierzystym kraju ?

[krywoj75 458]

Trochę odświeżę temat...

Otóż dostałem od kolegi zepsuty prawdopodobnie, bo nie ma gdzie zamontować baterii 😂😉 zegarek firmy "hp" 😂😂😂 tak wedlug niego napisane na tarczy. 

A tak serio wpadł mi taki Lip z lat 60tych niestety ułamane ucho...

[petruss 45507]

Nowy model z "wietrzoną" Tarczą:

HIMALAYA 40 MM SANDGLASS

 

 

[Iko 1161]

Nowa Himalaya Grand Reserve

https://www.lip.fr/en/758-himalaya-40-m ... serve.html

 

 

 

Edytowane 4 Stycznia 2021 przez Iko

[Iko 1161]

Nowe chrono od Lipa:

https://www.lip.fr/fr/810-rallye-42-mm-chrono-auto.html

#lip

#francuskie

#chrono

#auto

Edytowane 12 Kwietnia 2022 przez Iko

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Limitowany kompresor w preorderze...

 

https://www.lip.fr/en/831-grande-nautic-ski-phantom.html

 

[Jan 10890]

Trochę grubasek. I ten (luźno cytuję) glass has special anti-reflective coating to make the watch almost invisible 😂