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To z e to ten od pozytywek to raczej tak tylko czy to jest ten sam od roczniakow Gustava Beckera ? Ponizej cytat Zeppernicka z NAWCC: I've been able to establish that the BHA mark found on clocks was the same one associated with B.H. Abrahams (1839-1902) of music box renown, and related firms which followed his death. It would be most helpful in sorting out specific matters if a time span could be roughed out. BHA marked but Becker-made clocks with serial numbers offer one opportunity. At present I've only noted four such BHAs: 1461151 (1900?), 1958475 (1907), 2006629 (1908), and 2131338 (1910). I'd therefore be most grateful if all with BHA-stamped but Becker-made clocks bearing serial numbers could please reply (here) with the numbers. These can then be checked against John Hubby's listings. Thank you! Regards, Duck BHA Greetings John, Mike, Mun and all -- An understated pleasure of our international horological community is that one can be excited about something like BHA and not have someone scrooge about its "relevance". In short -- and I do apologize for this shameless pun beforehand -- there's no BHA-humbuggery! As far as BHA and VFU/GB as well as other makers' BHA-marked clocks go, it's still early days. What I've discovered thus far is first, that several sources do not agree with one another on the who's, when's, what's and where's. And secondly, they seemingly haven't noticed that they don't. At present I have information about B.H. Abrahams/BHA from six different sources. These are (1) MBSI, Ord-Hume & co., (2) British census data and genealogical sites, (3) UK Jewish historical on-line records, (4) A French volume on the music-box makers of Ste.-Croix translated into English and kindly made available by a member of the Music Box Society of Great Britain, (5) the German 1904 trade "address book" for the clockmaking and musical-works industries, and (6) our own data, gathering together even now, as above. And they simply do not fit together. For example, it would be easy to assume -- as it has been -- that BHA/B.H. Abrahams were/was the London agent or agents for VFU/GB. Except that the 1904 _Adressbuch_ clearly states that Landenberger & Co were (see previous MB thread here). Or, and just as another example, the MBSI site has B.H. Abrahams/BHA making music boxes from ca 1857-1900. Whereas the French volume quite specifically states that the B.H. Abrahams firm was founded in Sainte-Croix on 24 August 1895. But through a missing line -- a French clock advertised on eBay that has "THE BRITANNIA MOVEMENT" curved above the BHA mark in the oval in the middle, with MADE IN FRANCE the curved smile below, I found a bridge between BHA the music-box folk (BRITANNIA was the registered tradename) and BHA and clocks. As just a working hypothesis, I'd suggest at this point that B.H. Abrahams were/was flogging clocks made by others with their/his BHA stamped on them, both before their/his Ste-Croix days, and well after that firm there went out of business, and well after his death. And therefore the importance of the VFU/GB dating line! Speaking of which, suppose we should put in a request for other BHA sitings on the Clocks MB. When we get more information in, of course I'll put it together and share through CLOCKS and TTT. Regards, Duck on a sunny Sunday morn P.S. It would be enormously helpful if we had someone who has access to the "with-access-only" on-line London trade directories that cover, say, 1890 up to to the Great War.

Dzieki Dziadek za wyjasnienia ,BHA rzeczywiscie kojarzy sie np z pozytywkami produkowanymi na poczatku w szwajcarii oraz ze sprzetem grajacym typu gramofon.B.H Abraham's of St Croix, Switzerland.czasem byl dopisek London.Mam jedna pozytywke, w domu musze sprawdzic co to za wytwornia bo kupowalem ja w Szwajcarii. http://www.mechanica...sicboxes_2.html Cytat This is a B.H.Abrahams, St. Croix, Switzerland, handmade pinned cylinder and 35 note movement music box with ten tunes, augmented with three bells and butterfly strikers, contained in a solid hardwood and inlaid case with stencil decoration. With original card listing the melodies and their composers. cytat Lot 254: A Late 19th Century Swiss Cylinder Musical Box by B H Abrahams of St Croix, the 16cm brass cylinder and single steel comb movement with three bells in sight, butterfly hammers, lyre shaped tune indicator, playing ten airs, the comb stamped BHA, the Description: A Late 19th Century Swiss Cylinder Musical Box by B H Abrahams of St Croix, the 16cm brass cylinder and single steel comb movement with three bells in sight, butterfly hammers, lyre shaped tune indicator, playing ten airs, the comb stamped BHA, the bedplate cast BHA, enclosed by a glazed cover, ratcheted winding handle opposing change/repeat and stop/play levers, the inner cover set with a chromolithographic tune sheet, in an ebonised case, the cover set with a transfer of Britannia, 47cm wide. Cytat Fine 20-Air, 'two-per-turn' Harp-Zither musical box by B H Abrahams of Sainte-Croix, Switzerland. This edition produced in 1901 to celebrate the coronation of Edward VII, tune list led by his coronation march. Typical decoration to large box, including evocation of the Empire to the lid. Cleaned and restored to a good standard, in excellent working order. Available for worldwide shipping, professionally packed - just ask for price! Plus guaranteed safe courier delivery within UK mainland This is a somewhat unsual late Victorian/early Edwardian musical box, featuring as it does a 'fat cylinder' 20-air, two-per-turn movement of the type exhibited by Abrahams in the 1896 Geneva National Exhibition. This particular box is relatively easy to date, as the lead tune is the Coronation March of King Edward VII, an event which took place in 1901, and Abrahams is known to have produced a box at the same time in celebration of the new Edwardian era. I'm not sure how many were made, but this is first I have come across 'in the flesh'. Typical of Abrahams is the large box in painted faux-inlay decoration and hand-finished transfer picture to the lid. He often used coats of arms, but in this case its a picture evoking the British Empire, capturing the jingoistic mood of that period. The movement, as indicated, has what is known as a 'fat cylinder', designed to run at a slower speed and, at least in theory, capably of more intricate tunes. It was also possible, as in this case, to have it capable of playing two tunes every complete revolution of the cylinder, which it does very well indeed for the entire period of the spring, until held by the stop-work. The movement is, as one would expect, mounted on a gold coloured cast iron bed, all of the components in good quality brass and polished steel. Abrahams made many of his movements himself in his Sainte-Croix works, but he was a prolific and highly entrepreneurial maker, effectively operating as an agent and conduit for most of the Saint-Croix manufacturers in the late 19th century. Fo more complex boxes he commissioned movement from other, usually very good makers, and from the serial numbering and positioning I'm pretty sure this box has a movement considerably better than an Abrahams standard. The comb is 42-teeth, the cylinder almost 3 inches in diameter and 7.5 inches long. The serial number 21707 is stamped to the left cylinder mount, to the cylinder end, and to the bottom of the tune sheet. Abrahams rarely numbered his own movements, and put the number at the top of the tune sheet. Although there is confusion over his numbering system, his own movements were numbering well over 40000 by 1901. Nevertheless, this is certainly an Abrahams (BHA) production, complete and original,just with a rather top-quality movement with 'Harp-Zither' attachment. There is a tune number indicator to the left of the cylinder, whilst to the right are the 'stop/start' and 'change/repeat' levers, both working of course. The harp-zither attachment is applied or lifted with a little silver lever to the front. The box itself, again typical of Abrahams, is a large one, 22.5 inches long, 11.5 inches deep and 7.5 inches high. http://media.freeola.com/other/13278/stephenkember-1.pdf Milo jest miec cos czego nie ma dziadek no i w koncu zaczyna wstawiac fotki swoich zegarow. BHA w wersji 3D to dobre okreslenie.

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Dziadka wahadlo jest blisko ,powinno byc 2 088 618 raptem 27 numerow roznicy ,moze gdybym mogl to pokazac na zywo ale to daleko , no zobaczymy jak wyjdzie w zyciu. Takie numery to mnie zniechecaja do dalszego zbierania.

Jak pracowalem w Nicei to taki widok byl na porzadku dziennym przy promenadzie anglikow a wieczorami to sie dzialo ze ho ho ho. Dziadek piekne zdjecia krajobrazu!!!

Dokladnie tak to jest powtorne nabicie numerow zgodnych z numerem wahadla i jeszcze sygnatura!!! Chyba 2 088 678 ?

Qurfa co ja mam za szczescie trafiac na spartaczone numery albo niedobite 1 z przodu albo sygnatury medalowe nie z tej strony co wszyscy sobie zalozyli. Odczytaj tutaj numer ,przeciez to jakis koszmar:

Czyli co jednak BHA plyta nr 1032 a wg Kolegi Terwilligera.Ta wahadlo sygnowane (zgodnie z opisem ) ale inny numer niz na plycie i jakos tak mi ten napis smierdzi.No, a z ta sygnatura to juz przegiecie ,to cos takiego jak nieraz sa znaczki ze zle zrobionym wzorem albo z bledem. Dziadek a mowiles ze nie masz czasu patrzec na aukcje?

Czyli wtopa czy moze byc?

No to cos sie dzieje w temacie w koncu;Przybywa kolegow kolekcjonujacych roczniaki;konkurencja rosnie. Co mozecie mi powiedziec o tym roczniaku?

Trzeba je jeszcze wszystkie odrozniac od siebie ,dopiero co kupilem kilka ksiazek po zmarlym zegarmistrzu z Warszawy i sie przygladam na wychwyty,obserwuje swoje roczniaki,obserwuje budziki,zwracam szczegolna uwage na wyglad mechanizmu widze ze duzo jeszcze przedemna ale czesto dzwonie do ludzi z forum i musze powiedziec ze mi bardzo pomagaja.Mam nadzieje ze reszta przyjdzie z czasem.Jeszcze nie umiem umiejscowic poprawnie w stylu i epoce mechanizmu lub skrzyni i nie odroznie postarzanej od oryginalu. Wycieczki po muzeach bardzo duzo daja.Mialo byc vernis martin a nie saint martin Pozdrawiam Janek

Jaja se robisz Lusyk z tym kustoszem ,zeby oprowadzac trzeba sie znac na historii zegarmistrzowstwa ,znac budowe zegarow i zasady dzialania ,style ,epoki ,techniki zdobienia,techniki wykonania,gilosz,grawer,cyzelka,snycerka,intarsja ,inkrustacja,mazerunek,Vernis Martin i inne .Ale najpierw musialbys mi co nieco pkazac z tych zegarow.Bo ze masz talent do odtworzenia brakujacego elementu to juz widze. Ja czerpie ogromna radosc z ogladania.Ale korci mnie zeby dokonac jakiejs przerobki gotowego werku na cos ciekawszego ...... A ta tarcza z Sulikowskim to mnie zaciekawila. Pozdrawiam janek Ps.Lepiej jednak jak napisal Adam za duzo nie pokazywac (moze nie wszystkim).

Przepraszam zapomnialem iz ten styl nazywa sie we Francji Napoleon III a ta odmiana z kreconymi kolumnami colonnes torsadees.

Sygnatura S Marti medaille de bronze czyli, surowy werk Marti ktory ktos inny wbudowal w drewienka i nabil swoja sygnature Pinchon Fils Aine Paris zaklad istnial juz w 1811 ale zegar mozemy datowac na koniec 1880 roku mniej wiecej.

Ale odgrzalem kotleta ,wpadl mi dzisiaj w lapki taki francuz ,troche to kiczowate ozdobki ale jeszcze takiego nie mialem wiec jest;

Tak cos jest w tych barometrach ,budzik koniecznie wrzuc do galerii budzikow pozniej ,przypuszczam ze to wszystko pochodzi z Francji

Taki juz jestem,za malo wiemy zeby budowac teorie ale jestesmy uparci a ze koncepcja Huby-ego upadla no coz nie ma ludzi nieomylnych ,zgadzam sie na publikowanie fotki na innym forum. Ten medal to wogole wyglad a inaczej niz w poscie wyzej z freiburga ,cos tu smierdzi tylko nie wiem gdzie?Mam fejka czy co?

Nie wiem czy dobrze zrozumialem post Hyby-ego z NAWCC ale mam taki werk niekompletny i widze zmiane stron w biciu kotwicy i medalu nr 175740 a Huby pisal tam cos o zmainie stron od numerow 371794 and 423823. Czy ja zle mysle?

Wszyscy teraz tylko Beckery zbieraja ,juz nie ma co wyrwac za rozsadne pieniadze Dzisiaj a moze wczoraj stalo takie cos i prosilo zeby go kupic wiec wzialem. Jeszcze takiego nie malem. KOMA.

Istnieje pewne prawdopodobienstwo iz mogl byc na zatoce wiec roznie to moglo byc.

Nie zamiescilem dobrego zdjecia za co przepraszam ,oczywiscie wychwyt cylindrowy patrzac an ksztalt zebow kola.

Jesli jest juz z balansem to mysle ze poczatek XX wieku ale ja sie na tym nie znam za bardzo lepiej poczekac na opinie kolegow.

Nie kupilem go na aukcji no chyba ze bylas tam gdzie ja dzisiaj

Kilka fotek oficerskiego (chyba moge tak go nazwac?) Drewniany jak go bralem myslalem ze tarcza od Lenza (tak jakos mi sie zkojarzylo z Lenzkirchem nie wiem czemu)ale niestety" populares" bez punc.

A mnie obudzil dzisiaj moj, nowy budzik a gdyby sie spieszyl czy poznil to go zastapie tym